I have come to the conclusion that the weak hands are the road to positive chip count in the long run. Its easy to pile them up with big hands, either pre, or flop, but, its the small babies you can pull-in that make the difference in the bank roll. Maybe way off base here, but I think you have to find a way to win the small ones in LIVE LIMIT. Small to me is something like QQ or less. So, after the flop, the real game begins for you. BTW....I play 3-6.....